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Loved it, voted yes!
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duuuuude5 wrote:
So far people seem to like it, but there's only 3 votes. Should we perhaps ask in the discord server for more feedback?
Makes sense, tho the judge will most likely do it after claiming.
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Also thank you feos for spending so much time getting the movie to sync, I really appreciate it :)
Thanks for not making a movie that's impossible to make acceptable :D
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DigitalDuck wrote:
But then that leaves the question of whether a run that prioritises IGT over TAS time should obsolete, or exist in a separate branch from, one that prioritises TAS time over IGT.
If aiming for IGT only makes gameplay longer without making it faster in more relevant segments, then we consider that it doesn't make sense to aim for IGT for a particular game, at least in standard. For example imagine spamming pause to prevent IGT from incrementing: that wouldn't make the competition more fair (like it does in Sonic games), it'd just add a conflict between different speed techniques.
Also IGT versus real-time is more just a timing method difference when the main content is mostly similar. If the difference is several hours worth of gameplay coming from a whole extra game completion (that is split off into a verification movie), then we can't say it's just a timing difference but a goal difference. And IGT is not a goal that is accepted to standard alongside its real-time counterpart, only to Alternative.
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DrD2k9 wrote:
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If the character is different and slower, that may be argued to be a harder mode/higher challenge.
This argument could be made for a different base roster character also. Would the slowest base roster character be considered a harder mode/higher challenge?
I feel this would potentially make things even more confusing.
Interestingly, since characters represent clearly defined content, at the very beginning I wanted to simply allow all of them in standard. Then I thought about games that have a ton of chars, and those combined with other applicable standard branches made me like this option much less. So the only reason we don't allow all chars to co-exist is mostly logistical.
On the other hand, "savegame" always felt like a clear enough in-game distinction, and since it'd only result in one extra branch for every standard category, it felt much more natural to just allow it to exist even if the benefit is minimal.
If the benefit is 0, that to me means it doesn't matter if it's save anchored or not. And if the benefit is negative, I admit I've never thought of it until this new iteration of the talk, but the amount of things to be allowed is still minimal, so it's kinda fine.
Strictly speaking, it's a good point that we don't accept suboptimal chars to standard as "just harder mode", so that argument of mine probably doesn't work. But my main wish is featuring objectively different content with lowest limits that we can reasonably afford.
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If no unlockable characters are faster than the fastest base character and no new content is introduced, then there’s no reason to have a save anchored branch in Standard publication for that fighting game.
I personally only see the problem in "savegame" being an extra standard branch if there's no practical difference at all coming from unlockables. If the character is different and slower, that may be argued to be a harder mode/higher challenge. If the character is the same, there's no point in having both branches. Example: #8775: KusogeMan's Wii Mortal Kombat: Armageddon "Endurance, Kreate-a-Fighter" in 05:18.98
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A public discussion is meant to happen so that people can clearly explain everything they need with no rush and with all the info being available to everyone. Only then we can come up with a proper decision. It's not about proving me wrong about something, because I very rarely have a hard stance on things. But for the sake of community discussion I explicitly request mistakes to be addressed, because without it it's just a dead end.
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Spikestuff wrote:
The difference with how we're looking at it with the Fighting game genre is the new element being an unlocked character.
I don't see the fundamental difference from other game genres with unlockable chars.
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I can also refer to Digimon Rumble Arena where an unlocked character wasn't allowed, and instead a character that's available from the start would have been preferred instead.
The consensus was to move away from that limitation, so that submission would need to be unrejected at some point. It represents a situation but can't serve as example of how things should be.
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But we're in the new site era now where we have a new submission that's using an unlocked character in Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance which should outright obsolete the Kenshi run and be the preferred run. But isn't for some reason.
Why should it outright obsolete?
I can only see why it should not obsolete:
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I don't want save-anchored movies to compete with power-on ones in Standard, because the former kinda give themselves a handicap which would somehow not count as a part of its completion time. I feel it's fair to instead have more branches.
I don't see what's beneficial for the community from having fewer branches in this particular case, which implies extra rules and therefore more complexity going forward.
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Masterjun wrote:
Maybe more specific examples would help. For example, I thought New Game+ would cover everything, and I couldn't quite understand from the previous post why that one wouldn't work.
Just to throw some ideas around (and get them refuted), couldn't we call it "2nd run" similar to the "2nd quest" things we have? Or are there some situations where you don't actually have to beat the game story?
Yeah if the most optimal unlockable (or combination of unlockables) does not require beating the main game but is locked behind an overly specific combination of completions, it may not be the Nth run through any one particular mode.
Masterjun wrote:
In that case, why not just "savegame" or "saved game" like wikipedia calls it.
Wow I love "savegame"!
moozooh wrote:
I think there is somewhat of a contradiction over the fact that we'd only accept the most optimal default character for Standard while giving a "free pass" there to an unlocked one regardless of how fast it is in comparison. I mean, what if it's the slowest character? Or at least slower than the second-best default one? (Thinking of something like Streets of Rage 3's Roo here.)
While we do indeed aim for speed optimization in standard, restricting content too much makes it a pain on the long run for all participants, because things that make sense to a lot of people still consistently get rejected like they were not worth doing. So while aiming for speed in standard we allowed a whole lot of things that feature some conceptual difference that got a community consensus. Save-based unlockables are an example of this, so the most sensible decision seemed to be to remove the need to compete with the clean-save movies. We probably didn't consider cases where all the unlockables are slower, but if the point of the category is featuring this objective difference, I think it's not a long-term problem if it's the only reason a certain extra branch exists. If there's no clear difference between a clean save and a save-anchored branch, we will only have one.
moozooh wrote:
Would it not be better to accept all characters for Standard?
A lot of people in the community don't want the site to have a separate branch for each character in, say, fighting games, where it could result in dozens of branches, because there are already all the other standard goals that could be combined with different chars.
moozooh wrote:
But to answer the question, if we need a generic branch name, would something like "fully unlocked" work?
It may not be fully unlocked, if only the most optimal things need to be unlocked.
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Samsara wrote:
The following SRAM-anchored branches will be acceptable as standard publications:
- Unlockable modes, characters, and difficulties.
-- Assuming they can't be unlocked with in-game codes, of course.
- New Game +
-- This would include minor benefits such as text skipping and cutscene skipping, even if the rest of the run remains the same.
-- There's still a bit of issue with, say, RPG runs that have complete data carryover, but we'll figure those out when we start getting them.
There's been a disagreement among staff regarding labeling of save-anchored branches that don't involve unlockable modes. It makes perfect sense to generalize the label for all such modes and just call it the most iconic name which is NewGame+, but when we just unlock a character and use it in the movie without entering any new modes, it feels confusing if we also call that branch NewGame+.
There's an option to label them by the character name, but then it's confusing in a different way, because it may look like we accept all different characters now, while we only allow the most optimal one in standard.
There are a few labels that don't sound very good like literally "save-anchored" or "unlockable X", and interestingly they kinda cover the NG+ case as well.
Note: calling it just SRAM is incorrect, because SRAM does not persist across power-off unless it's battery backed, and it's not the only way to store progress anyway (memory cards are not SRAM but Flash).
Any ideas how to neatly call save anchored branches so it covers all kinds of unlockables?
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What did you fix, and why replace the file?
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I got this to sync repeatedly, and repeatedly reproduced the setup files, and uploaded them, with meticulous instructions. I ensured the setup is acceptable, and the only thing left is evaluating the run's entertainment, which I can't do because I don't understand RPGs.
I also have the lossless dump.
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"X glitch" is the branch used to communicate that a major skip glitch is used to skip a huge portion of the game. "Save corruption" is a movie tag.
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"Memory corruption" doesn't indicate what it's actually being used for in terms of gameplay. In RTA branch labels usually say which speed techniques are allowed in those branches, but that's still per-game, and other game communities can use the same labels for different things, and different names for the same things. So we can't globally rely on RTA branches. And it was a major problem for the viewers when we didn't indicate the gameplay nature of the branch for those "glitched" categories, so we started splitting them by their effect.
If the major skip glitch skips straight to the ending, we call it "game end glitch". When it puts you somewhere that's not the end of the game and you need to complete it yourself, it's "warp glitch". If save corruption is involved, "save glitch". If the glitch comes from the game's demonstration of gameplay, "demo glitch". If it's something complicated and hard to explain in a few words, we invent a new name for it, like Super Metroid's "X-ray glitch". That way we can be consistent across all games and all types of major skip glitch.
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I don't think we need to come up with an overly strict definition because actual reality constantly destroys overly strict definitions. I always viewed "save glitch" as literally any way to corrupt a save (or the save system for that matter).
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If save corruption is the main tech in the glitch, yeah we call those "save glitch".
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This hack is really problematic.
It's obscure in that it only exists in one place as a ROM link, it's just barebones since it only contains one zone and level layouts are the same, and it also crashes on BizHawk once you try to jump (the main gimmick of the hack). The author only released the initial demo in 2021 and then all the work stalled. Even the target audience of this hack considers it questionable:
While this run is quicker than [1937] Genesis Sonic the Hedgehog "no zips" by Aglar in 17:36.58 since you move faster, in act 2 the zip wasn't used, so it's slower than [3570] Genesis Sonic the Hedgehog by Aglar in 14:13.87 in that room.
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MahoLator aims to provide
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Where is it said there are tas tools?
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It kept desyncing until I set Time="32.000000" in the ini.
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Amazing music (catchy and dark, unusual for old games, Bram Stoker's Dracula is another exception), authentic visual style, fluid gameplay, and cool execution. Voted yes!
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We don't know yet. eien86 is using a different version of ubuntu, that's all we currently know. As long as someone on staff got it to sync and has a video dump, it's fine.
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The time difference is just 1.5 minutes, and the viewers can skip ahead in the video. We use extended input for post-completion manipulations that show final content that won't automatically appear, so simply speeding up the credits (but only partially) doesn't look worth a secondary movie file.
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The movie doesn't sync if I recreate the save and ini files the way you described. It gets stuck on a black screen around frame 16k.
Also debug mode seems to need to be turned off after save files are created.
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The font needed a bit of tweaking, update Post #527775.
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What bizhawk version are you using?
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While this run is quicker than [1937] Genesis Sonic the Hedgehog "no zips" by Aglar in 17:36.58 since you move faster, in act 2 the zip wasn't used, so it's slower than [3570] Genesis Sonic the Hedgehog by Aglar in 14:13.87 in that room.