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Posted: 6/20/2013 7:26 PM

Post subject: Official support of dev builds and patches

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It was pointed out on IRC that we need to clarify the rule about emulator versions officially supported (accepted) at TASVideos. For stable emulators it is clear, builds from side hostings done from random source code revisions are just unreliable, the movies done on them can desync on official releases, etc. But there are emulators that emulate some messy platforms already (Hourglass, Dolphin, openMSX), their developers may use to have dev builds repo with latest tweaks added, but unstable overall. In some cases, even the only chance to get a game working right is to use an interim or a patched build. And we are only able to publish Dolphin submissions by applying some unofficial hacks here and there. So not only having hacks and patches support is critical, but it is how things already are with these platforms. Some say we still must stick to official releases only to allow viewers to watch movies. Again, true only for movies that are relatively easy to set up in the first place. Custom users will unlikely be able to set up Dolphin to playback or sync straight away. The same goes about TASers: they have to be skilled enough just to handle Dolphin, and if they succeed and submit, we must respect such effort. Sure, if that question raised some year ago, the current situation might be better. But for now, I personally was suggesting TASVideos support for dev builds that can be obtained from an official emulator repo directly. Guys in IRC suggested to fork dolphin to host TASABLE version separately from the official mess, still including every fix the devs apply, and making sure they are still tasable. Please provide ideas about the best way all that can be handled, or ~~I reject Resident Evil 4 for using 3.5679479938907~~ the current rules are too ambiguous by saying dev builds aren't allowed and still accepting all dev build submissions of modern platforms.

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Posted: 6/20/2013 4:17 PM

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Resyncing movies officially http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14178 Let's move the constructive discussion there.

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Posted: 6/20/2013 4:14 PM

Post subject: Resyncing movies officially

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Yet this had almost no examples. But as we move to the improved emulators, there may appear some people that wish to try improving a movie from an old emulator AND make it on a new one - at once. Sometimes they succeed right away - they find improvements, the new movie obsoletes the old one, everyone is happy. But there are high chances that the existing movie is so tight no improvements are found. And even resyncing the strats or the exact same input requires some delays due to improved accuracy. All the above is relevant only when we are really moving to more accurate emulators. For two (almost) equally accurate emulators, there must not be any resync work I guess. So here I suggest to work out our new setup for handling resynced for better emulator movies. My ideas: - Make sure the emulator used to resync on is really better in all ways. There must be some official statement declaring movies of which emulators can be resynced for which emulators. Say, any snes9x movie can be tried to resync on BizHawk or lsnes. But there is no way BizHawk NES emulation can obsolete FCEUX NES emulation right away. Yet. - - If the above is checked, examine the following. - Is any time saved overall? - - If it is a real-time improvement, there is no point to argue, it's an improvement. But it is still needed to know if this is a gameplay improvement, or just a resync luck that affected some lags or RNG on a better core. True gameplay improvement must obsolete the existing movie. Technically lucky resync must be judged as the following. - - If no time is saved, it must be precisely examined whether all the gameplay time savers of the existing movie were applied or not. Experts of that game must be asked, precise statistics must be prepared on where and why the time was lost. Such a submission is no more under a standard discussion. The new question is: Is it a fair and successful resync for the improved emulator? - - - If the experts conclude that it's not, it is rejected. - - - If they find it really was a fair and legit resync attempt, the following goes. - That movie file gets added to the existing publication, adding the author of resync to the current movie author. The note on what this second movie is are written in the publication description. - If someone then makes an improvement over the resynced movie on the same (better) emulator, we watch if it is faster than the original movie or not. - - If it is slower than the original (old emulator) movie, only the second file is replaced. Another author is added if needed. - - If it is faster than the original movie, yay, we finally got it! Obsolete the whole publication. - - If it is slower than both, reject.

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Posted: 6/20/2013 3:28 PM

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I'm going to accept this movie to Vault. Still need to try syncing it.

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Posted: 6/20/2013 2:56 PM

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Okay, my opinion for now. This movie must replace the very file in the current publication. Masterjun must be added as a co-author. This submission must be canceled afterwards. Or set to published and lead to the current movie in all links. Tasvideos yet has no setup for such things. EDIT: All I say implies lsnes has really BETTER emulation of this game than vba. If they are equal, or the domination is unknown, I see no point in replacing the existing movie. EDIT: Also, after reading this post I tweaked my mind and now I support just ADDING another movie file to the publication (still crediting both co-authors), and commenting in the description which one stands for what. EDIT: Now about the question. As a judge, I find the current question and the poll results 100% relevant to the future decision and sane internally. Here I described how to use them right.

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Posted: 6/19/2013 3:59 AM

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Use the AviSynth download link right from the Manual. It leads you to 2.6 alpha release.

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Posted: 6/18/2013 6:00 PM

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Good thing I didn't pick it for judging. I agree with BOTH sides!

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Posted: 6/18/2013 5:25 PM

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"What are you b'ank you" Nice run, voting yes.

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Posted: 6/18/2013 1:57 PM

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Haven't watched it, but the YT thumbnail is the best promotion this submission can get!

AnS wrote:

Is it possible to have a movie that beats the game in the same amount of frames, but shows normal graphics in the ending? I would prefer to see it.

I disagree with this. I love to see the games as glitched as they can be, providing something visually new even when there is nothing that can be new technically anymore.

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Posted: 6/18/2013 1:49 PM

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My post was very compact. It described why this particular movie does beat the game technically. All the rest was flame and abstraction.

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Posted: 6/17/2013 3:50 PM

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RachelB wrote:

AnS wrote:
even though it doesn't seem to show any TAS-only tricks.
There was like 4 instances of pointing the wiimote past the left side of the screen on one frame, and then past the right side on the next frame. Any less would have resulted in crashing into alligators/rocks/shurikans/spiders. I don't think that could be done by a human.

At what ~~hour~~ minute of the video this happens?

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Posted: 6/17/2013 2:11 PM

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You disagree on what can be considered being completed once again. Technically IT IS completed, the rules are not violated. If you still FEEL it is not, feel free to examine the holes in the rules and report them here. Or quote the rule that is violated by this movie in this thread. It is also fun that initially you said the matter of completion doesn't bother you at all with this game, now you are asking "Does this really do it?" It looks not like an open discussion, but as infinite discussion with no chance to end it. Unless someone's post is mod-edited for pushing Warps opinion. It's dangerous to talk to you!

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Posted: 6/17/2013 1:52 PM

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Shouldn't the author's nickname be Qwerty6000 as well?

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Posted: 6/17/2013 3:43 AM

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Warp wrote:

feos wrote:
There is something wrong in asking the question that was already answered many times. It's pretending it was never answered.
So you are saying that I should just accept any random answer that someone gives to the question? It's not like this is a question of mathematics, like "what's 4 times 7?"

I can't care less on whether you accept random answers or not, I'm saying you are not going to get an answer different from what you already have. If you think the answers on your questions were "just random", it's not our fault. I insist on moving the WHAT IS GAME ENDING I DON'T EVEN discussion somewhere there. This thread is about the movie and its validity according to the existing rules.

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Posted: 6/16/2013 12:42 PM

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http://code.google.com/p/feos-tas/source/browse/trunk/GuitarPro/22.gp5

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Posted: 6/16/2013 8:57 AM

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There is something wrong in asking the question that was already answered many times. It's pretending it was never answered.

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Posted: 6/16/2013 8:21 AM

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Posted: 6/15/2013 9:17 PM

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I have no idea why you keep bringing that question up in each submission glitched like that. Gameplay completion and glitched technical completion are 2 different branches, 2 different achievements. It doesn't matter how the latter one "looks". It just is how community receives it.

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Posted: 6/15/2013 2:14 PM

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Then I want to express my amazement by what you did to Gimmick! at AGDQ and by Bucky O'Hare work on your channel! I couldn't imagine TAS strats for such complicated games can be used in real time at all. Back on topic though, why don't you try to TAS Batman yourself with all that knowledge of this game?

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Posted: 6/15/2013 1:35 PM

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Just doubleclick the dialog header and there you go. Best fit options affect this mode as well, so aspect ratio will always be the one you want.

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Posted: 6/14/2013 5:27 PM

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cyghfer, is that really you?

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Posted: 6/14/2013 5:08 PM

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I still think what I suggest is how SM64 tasers work. They make an initial movie and everyone tries to improve it. The ones who succeed then go to the list of authors. This thread now just was the place where everyone added a bit of improvements (similar to Games forum threads), we can't throw anyone away. We now only must trace whose improvements were really preserved during the process.

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Posted: 6/14/2013 4:23 PM

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Because it is still improvable. These runners seem to practice and try to death, they even have that tool that counts their time and compares to the best attempt.

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Posted: 6/14/2013 3:19 PM

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Aren't you trying to say the RIGHT-most player need to be far enough to the right to scroll the screen at the fastest speed?

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Posted: 6/14/2013 2:51 PM

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Real time record is really not that far away! http://www.twitch.tv/cyghfer/c/2182282

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